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Long Term Care Facilities - I Did the Math and It Doesn't Add Up

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Can you get yourself well-groomed, dressed, and bed made in 18 minutes or less?

  • Yes
    29%
  • No
    71%

Total Votes: 17

How many other patients does her nursing assistant have to care for? Could you get her ready for the day in 18 minutes?

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One simple question: On an ordinary morning, how long does it take you to do your basic morning care?
Another simple question: How long does it take you to eat your largest meal of the day?
Finally, how much time do you spend making your bed and picking up in your bedroom a day?

Let's break this down. Making the bed and picking up the room would take maybe 5 minutes if you are fast. Brushing teeth should take 2 minutes for good mouth health. Combing hair takes a minute. Taking a sponge bath would take about 5 minutes. Selecting your clothes, getting dressed, and putting on your socks and shoes would take about 5 minutes. You are looking at a minimum of 18 minutes from the time you hop out of bed until you are "ready" to go. We'll give it the benefit of the doubt, though and call it 15 minutes. Since I am feeling generous, we will say you only have to repeat this 8 times - once for every patient on your assignment. We are also assuming that every one of your patients can walk. That's not the only assumption we are making: none are men, so you don't have to account for a minimum of 10 minutes a piece to safely shave each one. None are incontinent of bowel or bladder so you don't have to struggle with getting an adult incontinent pull-up or tape-on brief on, nor do you need to completely strip and remake a soiled bed. You don't have to take the time to make sure you have cleaned up a bowel movement thoroughly. None of your imaginary patients are confused or combative with your attempts to get them ready for the day. We also assumed that it is not "bath day" for any of your patients. We've assumed that none of your patients have tubes to maneuver around and none have dressings that need to be changed before they can be dressed. None have doctors appointments to be dressed for and none need to be repositioned every two hours. If we let you out of morning report, you have managed to get all of them up, dressed, and ready for breakfast at 9am. You still need to walk or push them to the dining room, though - all 8 of them. You need to pass out meal trays and set each tray up for each patient to eat. We will say that they are capable of feeding themselves, though. None of your patients has a family member there who wants you to stop in the middle of the morning rush and go get more ice. None of your patients put their call light on while you were helping another patient get ready. No one is sick. No one needs their vital signs or their temps taken. You did not have to hunt anyone down who wandered away from their room before you could get them dressed. No one fell. Still, you should tack on an hour for breakfast service, an hour for lunch service, an hour for your 30 minute lunch and two 15 minute breaks. Bear in mind that you will have to "cover" for another nursing assistant's 8 patients for an hour while that one takes her breaks. You also need to do your care flow sheets for each of your 8 patients before the end of your shift. You are having a really good day. You are also dreaming. Five hours of your "fantasy" day is gone without you taking any time out to clarify instructions, ask the nurse for more information about something, try to find a missing shoe, help a lost visitor, answer a family member's questions, help one of your co-workers lift a heavy patient, give a delivery person directions, pass out snacks, weigh any of your patients, pass ice, or take any of your patients to activities, physical therapy, or occupational therapy.

Now let's talk about reality. It's day shift and you only have 8 patients in your dreams. You are more likely to have between 10 to 15 patients on your assignment. Half to three quarters of that number will be completely incontinent of bowel and bladder. Half will require a wheel chair or a geri-hair for mobility. You will have to snag another aid to help you lift them from bed to chair after you have struggled to put clothes on them while they are lying in the bed. A minimum of one third will be having a complete "bath day." You will have to strip those beds completely and remake them, in addition to the beds you have to completely strip and remake because of incidental soiling. Usually half of your patients will have mild to severe confusion and some of those will become combative while you are trying to dress or toilet them. Half of your patients will require repositioning every two hours to prevent bedsores. The incontinent patients will need their briefs checked and changed every two hours. At least two or three will need vital signs or temps taken. You will have to wait on the nurse to come change a dressing for at least one of your patients before you are able to get them up. Half of your patients will have to be put back down in the bed for a nap in the afternoon. Most facilities will expect you to get report when you come on duty and give report before you leave. Two to three of your patients will have to be spoon fed at each meal. You also need to pass ice to all your patients and pass snacks in the afternoon, again spoon-feeding snacks to those patients who can not feed themselves. You need to drop what you are doing to take your patients to the activity room for various activities through the day. In all likelihood, there will be several men on your assignment that need shaving.

You also will get stopped by someone every time you leave a patient's room to go to the next: a family member that wants a report, a nurse that needs help holding a patient on their side while their dressing is being changed, a visitor that needs directions, a patient that wants an ice refill, another aide that needs help lifting one of their patients, the administrator who wants you to drop everything and go to the other end of the hall because a patient is down there screaming "Help Susie, Help Susie!" Even though you know she does this at this time of day, every day and does not really need anything but a nap, the administrator is worried about appearances and is too "busy" to find that patient's assigned aide and why should she when you are so handy! This is your average "good" day in Reality Land.

A bad day is when someone starts throwing up, you get busted in the mouth or fall victim to the dreaded "pinch and twist," someone falls, the nurse needs help putting a catheter in someone, someone is having diarrhea, one patient clobbers another, a patient has an appointment or needs to be gotten ready to go to the emergency room, or a family member comes in and chews you a new one because mom is not wearing the right clothes or dad is still in bed and it's almost lunch time - and while you are getting a good "dressing down," precious time is being stolen from one of your patients. This is reality for hundreds of thousands of long term care nursing assistants day after day and year after year. Sadly many, if not most, fall into the "working poor" category - actually I should say WORKING poor.

When you go to put your loved one in a nursing home, ask specifically how many patients each nursing assistant is assigned on day shift, on evening shift and on night shift. Do not be conned about staff to patient ratios. Chances are they will try to slip dietary, housekeeping, and maintenance staff into their numbers. At the very least, they will try to give you a ratio that counts the director of nursing, assistant director of nursing, the shift supervisor (who seldom touches a patient,) and the charge nurse who is too busy passing medications and doing treatments to help much. Specifically ask about the ratio of nursing ASSISTANTS to patients, not nursing STAFF to patients. After you have that figure, you do the math. Find out what the state minimum is. If that facility is trying to ride the barest minimum number they can legally get away with, run, don't walk, to the nearest exit. Sitting on a minimum staffing regulation is clearly a sign that they have more important things to worry about than the quality of your mother's care or the well-being of their staff - namely their profit margin. As pathetic and despicable as it sounds, corporate greed is alive and well in the long term care industry.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:00 PM EST
{"commentId":4010593,"authorDomain":"zydor"}

Could you check if its up?  Cant see an article or link at this end.

EDIT - Forget - just came up as I posted, sorry.

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  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:24 PM EST
{"commentId":4010776,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

Now the danged poll is missing. Sure as I put up another one, the old one will reappear.

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  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:39 PM EST
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{"commentId":4010694,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

God Bless You, KB! You have done the work of saints!

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  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:33 PM EST
{"commentId":4010783,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

Not me, WKB - I was the nurse on the med cart. I haven't been a nurse's aide in over 24 years. They are the Saints.

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  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:41 PM EST
{"commentId":4010847,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

Please! No disrespect intended at all, I swear, but I am free to believe you ARE a Saint, so there!

:-)

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  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:46 PM EST
{"commentId":4010920,"authorDomain":"denn8714"}

you tell 'er, knightboy! So there!

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  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:54 PM EST
{"commentId":4011102,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

Yeah, what Denn said, so Double There!

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  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:15 PM EST
{"commentId":4011193,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

LOL! Y'all are funny!

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  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:25 PM EST
{"commentId":4011446,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

(...and you are a Saint!...)

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  • 2 votes
#2.6 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:56 PM EST
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{"commentId":4010797,"authorDomain":"denn8714"}

Great numbers. Dear Lady! Accurate, and I for one, hopefully among many, wish more people would do this exact exercise. It is the amount in assistants, on each shift, that is the bulk of the gruntwork on the floor, in direct contact with the residents.

Also, ask to talk to relatives of residents, and of residents who've been there at least two years. If anyone on the staff says no, you can't talk to anyone, do what the Belle Lady says, run, don't walk, run out the nearest exit. Ask the staff you're talking to pass your request to talk with a relative to a residents' relative to get their authorization to talk to you, if the staff says they can't allow contact.

If you're still stonewalled, again, run.

Two years should give you an idea of employee turnover, complaints, compliments. Ask for both from relatives, what's bad AND good there.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:42 PM EST
{"commentId":4011026,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

One other tip. Make note of the number of nursing homes in your area that are owned by big corporations. You should know this for the day when someone in the administration remarks about how nursing homes are struggling to make ends meet. You should also be armed with this information when you are contacted by a Long Term Care PAC asking you to vote this way or that so your loved one's care does not suffer due to funding cut backs. Again, do the math - if it is so difficult to make money in the health care industry, why would so many corporations be jumping on the nursing home band wagon? Ask how much the CEO of the corporation that owns your loved one's facility is paid in a year. Once you have that figure, bear in mind that a nursing assistant is lucky to be making $10 - $12/hour in the midwest. Then you can give the ADMINISTRATION a good "dressing down" for trying to manipulate voters and the emotions of the families whose loved ones are in their facility.

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  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:06 PM EST
{"commentId":4011219,"authorDomain":"buckleydh"}

There is no such thing a a not-for-profit nursing home.  All must make enough money to pay elecricity, wages, benefits, taxes, etc.  Also, for profit facilities have proven that they can deliver quality services while maintaining the bottom line.  The difference is that NFP can accept grants, donations and tax breaks while for profits must typically find a better mousetrap, so to speak.  They rely on shareholder support.  If they do not make a profit, they do not have shareholders and they do not have a facility to take care of your loved one.  But their innovation often leads to industry standards and practices.  Bad nursing homes come in a variety of colors, for profit, not for profit, religious, county run, etc.  What makes a good nursing home is the caring staff, from Administrator and DON to nursing, CNA's and others, for profit and not for profit.  The best caregivers will never weigh their contributions through a paycheck. 

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  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:28 PM EST
{"commentId":4011424,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}
The best caregivers will never weigh their contributions through a paycheck.

With all due respect, Buckley, I've heard this same argument used in an effort to shame facility CNAs for asking for more money for years. I consider it emotional blackmail. Just because they love the residents enough to do this work for "working poor" wages, doesn't mean they should prove it by doing so.

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  • 6 votes
#3.3 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:53 PM EST
{"commentId":4011603,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

The son of my friend has two Nursing homes, private. I haven't heard anything so nice. The owner, a doctor, spend sa lot of time with his lovely seniors, makes party and each room is individual. His mother and my friend is a pharmacist and goes often to check for the medication. Still there are good people that takes compassion in our very late years.

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#3.4 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:22 AM EST
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{"commentId":4011042,"authorDomain":"buckleydh"}

You should mention that much of the staffing pattern relates to the needs of the residents.  For example, a vent/trach unit will require much more staff than only skilled nursing or restorative care facilities.  I have been through many surveys, both for SNFs and ALFs and surveyors are interested more in whether or not the staffing patterns are meeting the residents' needs rather that state or federal minimums.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:08 PM EST
{"commentId":4011158,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

I could write volumes on this topic alone. I'm planning on hitting a lot on long term care in the future but in this medium it is more easily digested in smaller chunks.

Now, as for surveys, when all goes as it is supposed to go, yes. Still, things like this happen:

Westside Health Care

The owner's denials notwithstanding, this place was like this for a minimum of 12 years. I know this because I worked there 12 years ago and I called State myself and reported the place for being a disgusting facility in need of far more CNAs than they had because of their unique patient population. It continued to be understaffed and disgusting for another 11 years. How? I wish I had answers for that myself. It was bad enough that the owner was arrested after the police became aware of conditions inside.

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  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:22 PM EST
{"commentId":4011296,"authorDomain":"buckleydh"}

And I would like to add that those individuals that are not in it for the right reason, to REALLY make a difference for those people making lasting contributions, should have their licenses, certificates or whatever revoked permanantely and never be allowed to take care of our beloved families....EVER!

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  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:35 PM EST
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{"commentId":4011232,"authorDomain":"sgsteitler"}

As someone who worked in human services direct care for a decade, I can tell you short of a client/patient dying, don't count on program directors helping during "crunch time". As far as they are concerned, they have earned their dues, and rights to hide in their office.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:29 PM EST
{"commentId":4011328,"authorDomain":"buckleydh"}

I am really sorry that has been your experience.   I don't want to believe that is the majority.  As an Administrator of a SNF for more than a decade and a Regional Ops Director in AL for the last two years, I have found my personal involvement with my residents and families to be the most rewarding aspect of my job.

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  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:39 PM EST
{"commentId":4022410,"authorDomain":"sgsteitler"}

This one was what was commonly called an agency jumper. Hired from the outside. I'm sure you are familiar with the theory of a rolling stone gathering no moss. That would be her life. I was the only paraplegic direct care staff, with the understanding that sometimes "you have to take care of your own". Of course I watched her gun for me from the beginning while she did little interaction with clients. After I left, I learned she was moved to a more harmless position.

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  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:15 PM EST
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{"commentId":4011307,"authorDomain":"SonOfLIberty2008"}

I believe, don't have hard numbers, that if you're sick you could book a nice room at a hotel, rent the equipment you need and hire nurses for a lot less than hospitals charge.  I'm thinking that room service meals would probably be a bit better.

I love playing devil's advocate.  Good article kiddo.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:37 PM EST
{"commentId":4011567,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

I signed a document to my youngest daughter to have me traveling from cruise to cruise, it's a lot cheaper than a nursing home and better attention, my bed is made up every day, etc., etc., etc.,

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  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:18 AM EST
{"commentId":4015628,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}
I'm thinking that room service meals would probably be a bit better.

Depends on the head cook, SOL. I can think of three facilities and one hospital that I believe could have made as big a profit being a restaurant as they did being a health care facility because they had exceptional cooks that took a great deal of delight in patients, staff and visitors bragging on their food and threatening to kidnap them home to cook for them!

I can always count on you to be the devil, I mean the devil's advocate! ;-)

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  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:05 AM EST
{"commentId":4104046,"authorDomain":"georgearchibald"}

There are some very good long term care facilities. I have eaten the food at one with a resident on several occassions. It was better than the lunch I would be able to cook for myself (and I'm a pretty good cook).

No matter how good a facility is, without visitors it is a hell for the resident. I don't know the financials of a long term care facility, but I am certian it can be done more reasonably and better than the corporate run doctor owned facilities we see on a day to day basis. KyanaBelle is right about the workload and it is shameful. Most of the aides are exceptional people, I married one. She is a good cook too, but she still tries to cook for 50. :o)

She has seen the best of them and the worst of them. She worked many years and shed many tears. She spent alot of extra time with the residents especially those that had no visitors. The advice given by Denn8742 is spot on. Be aware the bad ones outnumber the good ones. I would also recommend trying the food.

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  • 2 votes
#6.3 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:33 PM EST
{"commentId":4106756,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

George, very true. As a charge nurse, I have many times held an aide as she cried on my shoulder in frustration because she was unable to give the care she felt her beloved patients deserved. I've also comforted aides when their patients have passed away. When they were afraid a patient might not make it. I can't count the number of times an aide would clock out yet stay off the clock sitting beside a patient who was dying alone. I've done that a few times myself.

Christmas is hard for the staff. Residents that you have worried sick over all year suddenly have visitors you've never seen in the facility before assuaging their guilt by ripping you up for not providing enough care. You just want to shout at them "Where were you last summer when I lost three nights sleep worrying about her because she had pneumonia?"

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  • 3 votes
#6.4 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:42 AM EST
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{"commentId":4011322,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}

What a great article, I'm clipping this to the Caregivers group.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST
{"commentId":4011440,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

There's a Caregivers group? Geesh, when are they going to come up with a better search for groups! Thanks Rottlady. BTW, could use a good thought for Gretchen, she has parvo :-(

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  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:55 PM EST
{"commentId":4011572,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

It's a fantastic article that is a fact of life.

Thanks.

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  • 5 votes
#7.2 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:18 AM EST
{"commentId":4012235,"authorDomain":"azsky13"}

KyanaBelle... I am sending you an invitation to the Caregivers group. Great article!

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  • 2 votes
#7.3 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:26 AM EST
{"commentId":4013496,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}

I sorry to hear about Gretchen, I hope she pulls through it. On another note, my brother dadio51 was admitted to the hospital yesterday. Please everyone think good thought for him.

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  • 3 votes
#7.4 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:31 AM EST
{"commentId":4015524,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

Just added him to my friends list too. I didn't know your brother was on NewsVine! Give him our best for a speedy recovery.

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  • 3 votes
#7.5 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:58 AM EST
{"commentId":4015727,"authorDomain":"bigmomma"}

He doesn't visit Newsvine much, usually when I twist his arm. ;)

 Thanks and I'll pass it along.

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  • 3 votes
#7.6 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:11 AM EST
{"commentId":4015838,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

Healthy good wishes for your brother, rot.

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  • 3 votes
#7.7 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:17 AM EST
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{"commentId":4011802,"authorDomain":"redruby"}

I don't want to be alive to live in that kind of situation.  I'd rather 'move on'.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:52 AM EST
{"commentId":4011889,"authorDomain":"JustLynn"}

As a long time RN, what I hope is that people realize this isnt just long term care facilities...the same thing can be said for hospitals...

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  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:03 AM EST
{"commentId":4015755,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

It's been years since I worked in acute care so I stuck with my most recent experience. Perhaps your insight into the acute care experience would make a good article?? :-)

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  • 2 votes
#9.1 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:12 AM EST
{"commentId":4023555,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

I've heard of even worse scenarios, those windowless highrise buildings in which are room after room, floor after floor, row after row, of comatose "human" living corpses, kept alive by remote control because of the belief in life at any cost.

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  • 2 votes
#9.2 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:36 PM EST
{"commentId":4023619,"authorDomain":"JustLynn"}

Kyana...I actually wrote a very comprehensive email to my local Senator and received a very nice response. In the response he informed me that he had forwarded my email to both Senator Obama and Senator Biden. Approx. 3 days ago I received an email from "The Office of the President Elect" informing me that within the next few weeks I would be receiving a "comprehensive application form" to apply to come to Washington and "work with the new administration".....

I actually have graduate degrees in both nursing and forensic psychology, and look forward to possibly working with the new administration on healthcare AND programs for our youth to keep them out of trouble and educate them...

I'll keep you all informed of my progress....cross your fingers..we need "one of us" in there involved in the fight to fix things....

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  • 8 votes
#9.3 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:41 PM EST
{"commentId":4023780,"authorDomain":"azsky13"}

Now that is awesome news! Good luck and yes, please keep us informed.

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  • 3 votes
#9.4 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:52 PM EST
{"commentId":4023860,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

Hey, JL, that is truly wonderful news. I hope it works out for you in this new age of hope.

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  • 3 votes
#9.5 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:57 PM EST
{"commentId":4024258,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}
I'll keep you all informed of my progress....cross your fingers..we need "one of us" in there involved in the fight to fix things....

Got that right! Someone who has put in a few miles on the floor! I'll keep my fingers crossed!

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#9.6 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:26 PM EST
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Good luck, JustLynn!

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#9.7 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:13 PM EST
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I keep dreaming of something like that happening to me (getting called to Washington, not going into a care facility...yet, anyway!). Like my dream of going to live for a month in Paris, it just isn't in the cards. Who would take care of my son if either of those dreams came true? Walking around my house is enough of a challenge. Walking around Paris would be impossible. Oh, well.

Congratulations!

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#9.8 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:01 PM EST
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In Washington State we passed a referendum that requires about a doubling of training needed for caregivers.  I am not up on the subject but it seemed like a good thing until a co-worker relayed to me that that her mother, a senior citizen advocate, thought that having additional requirements for a typically underpaid position would driven some away from that career.  Any thoughts? 

BTW: thanks for laying out the details; I needed a reality check on how a typical day might go for caregiver and/or nurse.

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Reply#10 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:13 AM EST
{"commentId":4015458,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}
I am not up on the subject but it seemed like a good thing until a co-worker relayed to me that that her mother, a senior citizen advocate, thought that having additional requirements for a typically underpaid position would driven some away from that career. Any thoughts?

I am inclined to agree with your friend's mother. They already have a course that they go through that I find quite adequate. They are also required to have yearly continuing education of some sort in most states. I've been in many facilities that tend to induce "inservice fatigue" on their employees.

When you work for a health care facility as a member of the care team, your scheduled hours working on the floor are not the only hours you have to put in. There may be any number of mandatory inservices and mandatory meetings that you also have to attend. This is especially difficult for night and evening staff members (imagine if your employer called a mandatory meeting at 3:30 am.) It interferes with having time away from a job that is literally a pressure-cooker. I have worked facilities in which I could not even get a full day off without having to go back in to work for some kind of mandatory meeting or training. That in itself has more of a negative impact on morale than what potential good may come of it.

Many state regulatory agencies have a tendency to answer every problem with calls for more training. Training is typically not the problem with poor nursing home care. A nursing assistant can get as much training as a doctor but that will do nothing to solve problems caused by simple physics: nursing assistants can not be in three places at one time. They can not change two patients at the same time. I have seen them try to bathe two patients at a time, but that usually results in a desperate call for immediate assistance. Short staffing also wears on caregiver morale. It is the deterioration of morale that ultimately determines just how much care suffers.

The best facility in terms of quality of care that I ever worked for was owned by an R.N. who insisted upon staffing over state minimums, paying more than local average pay, offering the best benefits package of any facility I have worked for before or since, allowed for more than the typical 30-minute, two 15-minute breaks. Turn over in that facility was almost non-existent. Morale was sky high and patient care was exceptional. Our problem was not patients losing weight (typical issue in facilities) but patients gaining too much weight. Because turnover was so low, the staff became a family. I recall one of our nurses' mothers was going trough a prolonged serious illness that ultimately resulted in her death out of state. That nurse had exhausted her sick and vacation time. Other nurses started going to the D.O.N. and offering their vacation and sick time for her to use to attend her mother. That kind of morale translates into great patient care.

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#10.1 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM EST
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My mother is in a nursing home in her hometown. I am very pleased and confident with the care she is getting there. In many cases her caregivers are the sons and daughters of her old friends and neighbors. Some are even old classmates of mine. My dad was at that same nursing home in hospice care. On the his last day I was overcome with emotions and had to leave the room. My best friend from high school, who runs the kitchen, was walking by and provided a shoulder for me to cry on. 

There was some talk about moving my mother to a nursing home here in the cities to be closer to her kids. But, I don't know if I would have the same confidence in the any nursing home here in the twin cities metro. It would be more convenient for me and my siblings, but I didn't want to take her away from her connections there.

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#10.2 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:23 PM EST
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I would vote for a referendum like that. My friends are getting handicapped and is a lot better to be at home than in a Nursing Home no matter how good is.

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Reply#11 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:37 AM EST
{"commentId":4019499,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

Hi, Kyana -- Good article, girl. And if you are too humble to accept the Saint title, we could give you "semi-saint" or "assistant saint" or maybe "apprentice saint".

I want to add that if a place is bought by a corporation, expect wages and other benefits for the workers there to fall. If you have a loved one staying at a nursing home that is bought out, you may as well start looking for a new place.

Here is a link to a Bill Moyers story transcript on the PBS website: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09282007/transcript1.html

Thousands of nursing homes have been bought up by private equity firms like Warburg Pincus and Carlyle. Profits were increased by reducing costs, then investors quickly resold the facilities for a big profit Ð leaving and I quote- "residents at those nursing homes worse off, on average, than they were under previous owners."
Exhibit #1: Habana Health Care Center in Tampa, Florida, purchased by a group of private equity firms in 2002. "Within months, the number of clinical registered nurses at the home was half of what it had been a year earlier...budgets for nursing supplies, resident activities and other services also fell..." "When regulators visited, they found malfunctioning fire doors, unhygienic kitchens, and a resident using a leg brace that was broken..."

Basing its report on state government data, the TIMES says 15 at Habana died from what their families contend was negligent care. But when families sue, they often can't find out even who owns the nursing homes because of the complex corporate structures private equity firms have created to cover their tracks.

This is the kind of corporate pillaging that makes me sick.

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Reply#12 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:34 PM EST
{"commentId":4020952,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}
"residents at those nursing homes worse off, on average, than they were under previous owners."

Absolutely. I have never gone through a transition to corporate ownership in which the residents ended up better off.

But when families sue, they often can't find out even who owns the nursing homes because of the complex corporate structures private equity firms have created to cover their tracks.

Years ago I worked for Centennial Health Care. That was the one facility in which I had inside knowledge of billing for supplies since the D.O.N. wanted a nurse for medical records but the medical records coordinator also served as the central supply coordinator. I was hired to fill that position. I was appalled to learn that an incontinent brief that cost the facility 50 cents would be billed to the patient's account for $1.50. The corporate obsession with not allowing so much as a few pennies to escape their clutches really got driven home to me during my employment there.

Two years ago I went back to that facility. I knew that Centennial had started collapsing after I left in 1999 and was supposed to have been completely defunct by 2001. Imagine my surprise when I got my first paycheck and it bore the exact same address that had been on my paychecks when I had worked there from 1997-1999! When time came to sign up for benefits, I discovered that the health insurance was still under the name of "Centennial."

The CEO and top-level management team had no special background in health care. They were considered to be something along the lines of "boy geniuses" in the world of investments and finance. They got into health care investment because there was big money to be made.

It is my experiences in nursing in corporate-owned facilities that both birthed and fueled my intense disgust for corporate America in general. When I found out that the Democratic nominee to face off against Mitch McConnell in Kentucky's senate race was the CEO of VenCor, another health care company with severe ethics issues, I said they would have to put a gun to my head to get me to vote for him and I was serious as a heart attack when I said it. When you encounter corporate greed in health care, where the quality of people's lives will suffer to increase the profit margin - it feels so much more heinous than corporate greed, say, in the auto industry.

As a nurse, I don't want to hear that I need to call a doctor back because the facility thinks the treatment he has ordered is too expensive. I care for my patients - I don't give a damn about the CEO getting a fat bonus for lowering operating expenses.

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Reply#13 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:50 PM EST
{"commentId":4023698,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

KB, excellent article and comments. I have heard some horror stories about local resident care facilities in Ontario as well, not privately owned, but run on the "corporate business model". You are so right that this paradigm is totally unsuitable for this type of operation. The obsession with turning everything into a profit centre is destroying the public compassion that used to be represented by seniors' homes, etc. Something really needs to be done.

I volunteer at a local seniors' residence that is one of the better ones. Even there, the care workers do not get sufficient time to get everyone ready in the mornings. The inconvenience sometimes is pretty bad (waiting for 3/4 hour on the toilet for someone to come and help), but at least no one's health is in danger.

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Reply#14 - Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:47 PM EST
{"commentId":4040803,"authorDomain":"iliketuandapril"}

My first job was working in an extended-care facility.  It left a profound impact on my life in teaching me that kindness and understanding should be a right gladly extended to our nation's elderly...by care-givers.

I must say that we worked non-stop to administer proper care and grooming to every patient.  Each and every patient was taken care of *every* day; no one was neglected.

In the past ten years though, I have had the occasion to visit larger facilities; quality care for the residents who happen to be elderly or infirm definitely seems less than desirable.

We can not mandate that care-givers truly care.  But if they spend endless hours chatting with one another?  Rest assured, patients should be the recipients of every moment of their time.

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Reply#15 - Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:51 PM EST
{"commentId":4049391,"authorDomain":"patriciaad"}

Beautifully done, Kyana...

Your article... wow.  that's all I can say.

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Reply#16 - Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:54 PM EST
{"commentId":4051916,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

I strongly urge those interested to visit this website: Corporate Aged Care

Another problem you should be aware of ...it was exposed in Cincinnati that long term care chains were calling the department of corrections in Ohio and actively soliciting for referrals to fill beds. This resulted in sex offenders filling a number of these beds and the state nor the facility administrator was required to inform families that a mentally ill sexual predator was in the same building, or in the room right next to, their helpless grandma.

It is my guess, given the HIPPAA regulations that protect all patient's privacy, that this may be quite widespread. To find out if this is potentially an issue in your particular state, go to your state sexual offender database and find out if any share an address with your loved one in a nursing home.

The follow up article when this was exposed in Ohio is right here - I can't locate the original article which gave far more detail.
After I saw the report, I had e-mailed the reporter at that time to "tip" him to a chain that I believed was just morally bankrupt enough to solicit for predators. He responded to me in e-mail that, in fact, that chain was the #1 chain begging the corrections department for referrals and had more sexual predators in their facilities than any other in the greater Cincinnati area.

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Reply#17 - Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:32 PM EST
{"commentId":4055346,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

Geez, Kyana, that item is worth writing into a separate article. This is red-hot stuff!! Hot hot hot.

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#17.1 - Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:39 PM EST
{"commentId":4057523,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

Explosive! Lawsuits and injunctions in abundance kind of stuff!

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#17.2 - Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:24 PM EST
{"commentId":4061852,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

Okay, I'll expand on it in an article

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#17.3 - Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:15 AM EST
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{"commentId":4103688,"authorDomain":"Rotterholt"}

I was a CNA at a nursing home in Temple, Texas for exactly 11.5 weeks.  That means I was a mere 3 days from getting my certification when I decided that I just couldn't do it anymore.  Everything you described hit home with me - and you left out the best part.  The patients that had no family, or family that never showed up.  The patients that didn't just need medical care, but that needed a sense of family, of friendliness, that needed someone to sit with them, listen to them, and to show that they cared about them. 

My heart broke every time I walked in, and every time I walked out.  And I just couldn't do it any more.

I commend you for doing what you do, you are a better person than I can ever be.

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Reply#18 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:57 PM EST
{"commentId":4108588,"authorDomain":"patriciaad"}

Ryann - you're breaking my heart, too. 

I'm getting ideas...makes me want to give some time to a person like you described...

I work in the healthcare field, I'm not a trained medical professional, but I work with RN's, Aides, etc... and I appreciate your work - what you did, and that you cared so much.  Thank You - from my heart.

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#18.1 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:41 AM EST
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